He did not have bow PNP for the first few months and that thing rode WAYYYY bow high. I dont doubt the all lifts are over engineered, meaning they will hold more than they are rated for. make that concession). Surf wave and wakeboard wake are both awesome. 22'6" vs 24'5" The A24 WITH PNP and pw3 will throw a great surfwave out of the box, but YOU NEED TO GET PNP. There arequite a few posts on this on TMC (and varying opinions) but if you go A24, spend the extra $$ if you can and go with theM6. A24 is a much bigger boat than the moomba max. It was the most reliable boat out of our crew. The interior and tech is not as complex as upscale brands like Malibu, but this doesn't mean the quality is inferior. Finally, we've observed that keeping your speed between 10.5 and 11mph (our preference is 10.8mph, to be exact) helps you to achieve maximum push in late-model Supra's or Moomba's. Displacement This may seem obvious, but when you break it down to its simplest form, creating a powerful wake behind a boat is all about displacing water. Moomba interior to me beats the Axis without a doubt. It was anything but a Surf Edition boat. Just food for thought. I also ran a 2249 for a year and a half and it worked very well - tons of pull - but ran a bit higher rpm than I wanted. I'm not saying the Makai has an inferior wave than an A24. As I pointed out in another thread, some of us live on small lakes and have to turn around while still surfing. I had 2 Axis boats quoted. Craz is about 2-3" too tall for my door but with a custom trailer (and torsion axles), it might work. Maybe some people have figured out how to improve the wave on the Max, but I have a hard time believing its anywhere as good as the Axis after comparing both. Ihave a 25 lsv with the M6 engine and it is awesome. Oh and plastic cup holders that popped right out, they weren't even glued in. I think Axis is the best boat you can buy for the price! The surf wave is amazing. Tomorrow I hopefully get a chance to surf on a 2019 Supra SL and possibly a MasterCraft XT22. 2019 eWake, Inc. I sold my T22 in the first part of August, I ordered it new in 2015 and put over 500 hours on it. I believe the A24 will be as good in performance and nearly as good in wave quality. Up there the 2279 was awesome for cruising and tubing but on the edge for surfing. Put over 140 hours on it last summer without one single issue (Besides a bent prop which happened while pulling out of our lift). Lastly, if you plan on keeping the boat for the long haul, the Axis boats, with fewer complex electronic bells and whistles, are going to be cheaper to maintain/repair when out of warranty. Just wondering what my expectations should be? Plus we'd be able to get one before this summer really gets going. (Pricing is pretty attractive on the Moombas)I keep seeing comments about drag with the Axis and interior quality not being as good on the Axis. I am also interested in the wrist control for the boat. We are somewhat beginner surfers. I don't know anything about the Makai, but as others have said, until you demo both, you just won't know what you're buying. The front bar on the tower base would hit the bar on the section of the tower that lowers. It says care wasn't taken putting this thing together. Only you can know that for sure with a proper demo. There are no issues with reliability or quality of the motors. Like i said, i was dead set on getting an Axis, but after looking at about 12 of them, i found the same stuff. I'm in agreement with the comment, "go for the best wave". September 23, 2020 in Axis Wake Boats. Haha, no kidding Matt. Malibu is better than moomba but moomba is better than axis Some would argue that Moomba interior is now nicer than both Malibu and Axis. Yup his wave is nice The Craz is a nice boat especially with the interior and tech update they did for 2019. The following core characteristics of each boats wave were measured: Guinn Partners conducted an independent study of boat makes and models to accurately compare wave quality. And then there is Autowakeyeahwhatever. Not sure I want a new boat and a New Lift. Moomba Helix. If the Craz trailer has torsion axles and a bit of clearance under the fender, it's possible you could gain that 2-3 inches by adjusting the axles to a different position without needing to do a completely different trailer. My only gripe with the subwoofer, thats the one component I changed in mine and the one thing Ive heard they could really improve upon. Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk I dont know if the tower is calculated into the dry weight, but I would hope so. One of the best boats I've ever owned. Axis Wake A24. Styling is definately mroe classic on the Moomba. If it wasn't your post, then I'm sensing a bad trend with Axis' quality. But for the extra money i would go malibu or get a moomba. I will say that you may need a bit more weight in the moomba. My door is 8' and my ceiling is 10'1". Somewhat janky flip up "chillax" seats. But that goes for just about any boat. Then you have the simplicity of filling everything and surfing. Your link has been automatically embedded. Craz is sooo tall. You do have drag on the steering with a surf gate setup. Boats, Accessories & Tow Vehicles - Axis T22 or Moomba Mojo - I crawled around the Makai at the boat show this year and they have come a long way. Thing is a beast. My previous boats were easy to sell because they held up well. A24 is a much bigger boat than the moomba max. Your link has been automatically embedded. The lesson I learned was to definitely do a water test and actually get out in the water to do the things you intend to do behind it and that will help you make the right decision what suits you and your family best. So you are at 6000lbs without any gear or people added. I've crawled around both and hashtag not impressed. Anodized aluminum or stainless steel frame tubing. The interior is really good and the wave can be just as good once you figure it out. Moomba Mondo. For some waves, less is more. At the boat show they were either stolen or the dealer took them out so no one would take them. They still work great, just not as smooth. Axis boats, like Moomba, are designed to be affordable, so they have fewer bells and whistles and flashy features. A24 all the way! Wakesurfing tests were conducted by a third party - guinnpartners.com/boat-testing/ to demonstrate the wave length, height & pocket size. The Mojo has a more premium feel to the materials, and looks Press J to jump to the feed. I also looked at the makai inside and out even thou i didn't need a boat that big,I will tell you this, Moomba has stepped up quality alot over the last few years. . It comes standard with the 2249 (14.25" pitch) and we are going to be using it predominantly at sea level or maybe up to approx. 2277 has more cup and therefore will be a little too much of a big lake cruising prop. The NXT has a good use of space and quality components. Itll be fine for a while but if you are a stereo guy at all the factory system will leave you wanting more in this category. You cannot paste images directly. We are looking to "refresh" our current boat. Yes, it lacks someof the flashy features. from Oren. I've heard other things like disconnecting the drop-assist cables on the tower to gain more lowering travel but on the '19 we had at our house, that didn't look like it would help at all. I kneeboard and surf. YEP! Sounds like you need to add some to the bow. People can say all the want about quality and build. Your previous content has been restored. Every new boat will have its issues, and your dealer is really where the brand will shine. I bet you can snag a 2015-16 for around the same price with some warranty left. ( perhaps you should have brought it out more?) It should fit with my eyes shut. We actually first considered a 2018 Axis A24. All times are UTC - 6 hours Fact is they're almost identical at the NXT level. Not saying the other waves aren't good but the surfgate is so easy. My lift is a 6000lbs and the Max is putting it at the top of capacity range as it is. That says something to me. And the maximum ballast of 3,000 lb is significantly inferior to that offered on the Axis model. If you run the right prop the motor will handle anything you need it to do. Good to know, thanks. Am I the only one that thinks these are both bad choices? We have SP2 and it is good for us. So confused, I started shopping around for a leftover '18 LSV. do you guys think the a24 would be too much for it? Again, trying not to bash Axis, i am sure they put out a nice wave in fact i know they do. The Moomba Max is engineered to be a wake surf boat that's priced well without scrapping a lot of the additions on boats twice the cost. If we have more than 4 people in the boat then we don't use the wedge. This is true up and down the lineup. I fixed it on the water and we had a great day. https://www.instagram.com/p/BniBZ7shon_share_sheet, https://www.amazon.com/Rock-Tamers-M/dp/B006M9VIRM, https://boatpreview.axiswake.com/axia=100&gb=20191, we like the fact that the A22 surfs and boards a bit better than the T22. So fit and finish does matter to me at least. Those are some sweet pics. That method applies in his A22 or our A24. After the dealer demos it completely changed my mind on which boat to get, it wasnt even close. He really liked the Makai and was wrestling with the decision between that an the A24. I personally don't like the looks of them. I love our interior and the massive amounts of storage on this boat. A beginner could potentially get hurt on an overly aggressive wakeboard wake. Even with ballast up front. I would have spend the money on a malibu had i found one i liked. The moomba has options for a small and large lcd, you wont get that on the axis. Had COUNTLESS memories with our family and it never left us stranded one time. The upgraded Stereo needed to be upgraded as well as the sub. Axis Wake A24. Get a Malibu. The Max has no bow weight Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm running 1450 enzos bags in the rear and an additional 400 steel in the front. In the end he bought a 25 LSV. In late fall/winter of 2017/18 my wife and I went shopping for a boat. FREE Storage boot. Display as a link instead, We were looking at getting a Moomba Max or an Axis T23. Not sure if you are aware, but Axis and Malibu are produced on the same line, by the same people, using the same processes. Copyright 2005-2022 | TheMalibuCrew.com My wife at 55 even on her toes couldnt safety see over the bow while I was surfing. Any thoughts are appreciated. Tonka33, Autowake worked great for both wakeboarding and surfing. Demo all 3 if you can and make your decision. Wave Length: To calculate the wave length, the length of the boat was used as a foundation, which was a set figure. As far as steering with gates over tabs, yah, its notable. Not Acme, but we ordered our boat with the OJ950 and really like it. Restore formatting, It's free and it's easy, so don't hesitate to join the TheMalibuCrew Family today! I dont know if the tower is calculated into the dry weight, but I would hope so. You will have fun on the water regardless of the vinyl pattern they stitched on the seats. Also, resale on the Axis line has been pretty strong over the years. He said you'll never know the difference unless you ride in/behind them back to back. Surf waves are not like wakeboard wakes. Just want a good overall family boat and something we can get a good surf on. its says something about longevity. It has been extremely difficult to A. figure out and B. gain consistency with it. As far as interior goes. Surfed a 2017 mojo pro and T 23 with wedge not deployed and had a blast onboth , pretty equal waves on same day on same water , surfed two a24s in same week two weeks ago onewedge up and one down snd both were superior, cant beat displacement and the a24 has that in spades , monstrous waves (wedge down bigger) both very pushy and long on both sides , Id go a24 for the room and obvious ease of set up wedge up or down, Cant you get a pretty loaded a24 for well under $90, cant beat that with a 5 year warranty and pw3 adjust for wave, Surfed your G21 two different boats about 6 days total and liked it! 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