A second missile had been fired and aimed precisely where our aircraft would have been had we dived straight ahead to avoid the first missile. Pilots would be hollering for this and for thatand there was NOTHING I could do. He told me join up. Gary, this was like Vietnam all over again!. Ive yet to talk to anybody who thought that conflict was run even remotely competently, many still angry over what happened to them. But that's exactly what happened to Bill Arcuri when he was forced to bail out of his damaged plane over Vietnam. [I was USAF SAC (enlisted) 62-66. Crash Location: Into Sea off southwest coast of Vietnam near Rach Gia and Ca Mau. ), Ways to get involved in the 2022 Election. Its a real shame but they ruined a perfectly good pair of nearly new, highly-polished USAF flying boots with zippers; they cut right through the damn zippers! On Oct. 26, McCain would fly his 23rd run over North Vietnam, joining a 20-plane mission to bomb a power plant in the capital city of Hanoi, which had been off-limits to U.S. attacks . claimed to have shot down 215 planes. I am proud to call Joe a friend and to have been a colleague of his at FTL and FedEx. I reported I wasnt sure which (if any) was his. On August 28, 1972, US Air Force Capt. You need four for effective mutual support; i.e., lookout coverage for all four in all quadrants. The tale I heard was that at the time the 480th TFS shot down our 4th & 5th MiG-21s only eight of them had been bagged by anyone else anywhere. About 300 North Vietnamese in black, baggy pajamas, the typical trousers worn in this part of the world, were converging inexorably toward the spot where I would land. The Communistss claimed 19 B-52s shot down to date. I was flat on my back. The cockpit pressure vessel was intact; incredibly, it had not been penetrated despite a direct hit by a Soviet SA-2 missile traveling at over Mach 2 with a 400 lb., high-explosive warhead! The terror I felt just moments before vanished. Id pulled the lower ejection handle and was away from my burning Phantom. The political strategy of Rolling Thunder was absurd from the git-go. I quickly figured out that, because we were going to be late, our flight lead was cutting Alfa out and going directly to Bravo. 1:00 Jan. 6 will mark 50 years since former Newburgh resident Dave Middleton was shot down in Vietnam while piloting a Loach helicopter on a mission to which he wasn't originally assigned.. Although thank you is not enough, I do thank you for your service. 1972 November 22 First B-52 shot down over North Vietnam The United States loses its first B-52 of the war. During the Vietnam War, thousands of U.S. aircraft were lost to antiaircraft artillery (AAA), surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and fighter interceptors ( MiG )s. The great majority of U.S. combat losses in all areas of Southeast Asia were to AAA. Black Hills just changed So. Thank you, David. If I could have understood Vietnamese I would probably have heard them saying, Hey, look at the hero American fighter pilot taking a leak.. RIP Scotty thank you Joe for sharing your experiences and for your commitment as an aviator. I wanted to join you in 1969 after college graduation, but my eyes only qualified me as good enough for USAF navigator. Those of us that were there were paying attention; I remember that it was not assured, back then, if anybody would be repatriated. The Douglas A-1E Skyraider (U.S. Navy BuNo 132649) at the National Museum of the United States Air Force (Dayton, Ohio, USA) is the airplane flown by Maj. Bernard Fisher on 10 March 1966, when he rescued a fellow pilot shot down over South Vietnam in the midst of enemy troops. Soviet General Fesenko, the main Soviet adviser to the North Vietnamese Air Force in 1972, recorded 34 MiG-21s destroyed in 1972. This is aviation commentary. He didnt shoot at anyone. The process of lifting the American air pirate and dropping him (me) face first onto the floor went on for over an hour. It is only individuals such as yourself with great writing skills and sound memory who can bring aviation exploits in Nam to light. God bless you, Sir. You certainly are my Hero! Jim witnessed the other pilot CW2 Richard Bauman and crew chief Craig Dix being captured. God bless you Joe, hearing the story was very touching. I was at a loss for words. I was O.K. Misty FACs operated from 15 June 1967 to 19 May 1970. 28 NOV 67. I was falling towards the Earth and still attached to my Martin-Baker (made in England) ejection seat below a four-foot drogue chute to stabilize my rapid descent. Like the Flat-Earthers who still dont believe we landed on the Moon. Welcome home. The spot where I landed was probably a potato patch. That may be the biggest benefit from Viet Nam, a conflict which many would say yielded very few benefits, as you suggest. Fighting against such a cruel political regime didnt seem that bad an idea after all, did it? Between January and July, U.S. Air Force fighters flying air-to-air missions shot down 29 MiGs while losing just two of their owna 14.5-1 kill ratio. A minute or two after takeoff we had cold air blasting through the cockpits. As a 110 F4 combat mission Vet, Id like to know. Life saver: Severely damaged in combat, this Douglas A-1E was flown by Maj. Bernard Fisher on March 10, 1966, when he rescued a fellow pilot shot down over South Vietnam. When the Vietnam War ended in 1973, Mohawk losses were: one shot down by a MiG, one destroyed by mortar fire, 27 lost to ground fire and 36 destroyed in operational accidents. It was a bittersweet event and Im so grateful I was able to attend. Without guys like Joe you would go to prison for writing what you just wrote. Some data to the soviets in Korea: The 324.IAD (Fighterdivision) 6738 missions. Hap. My brain raced to imagine all the possibilities: A snake pit? There were too many A-holes with rank putting the rest of us at risk up there especially RP VI. U-8 losses need added The 1850 John Stuart Mill quote and your comment that you posted above is powerful and right on. In burner, diving out of 20, didnt take long to head toward So China Sea. Again- Bless you & Scotty! Our Motto YOU YELL, WE SHELL LIKE HELL, OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY. Dulles International Needs a name change. Then with release of the first group of POWs WO1 James Hestand was released! In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs (3,744 planes,[3] 5,607 helicopters[2] and 578 UAVs[1] ). I was an F4 driver at Chu Lai trying to cut the supply traffic through Laos, mostly around Hwy 9, near Tchepone. How many a4 Skyhawks were shot down in Vietnam? The prison at Hoa Lo was a miserable place. AddThis Utility Frame. Joe, Many thanks for writing & publishing your story. I am also an Airforce veteran. And Ill always remember how you and Tom Nordberg stood up for me in Anchorage. In the solitude of my tiny enclosure, staring unfocused at the floor, I said aloud, Todays the day, thinking this was the last day of my life. Cheers! According to what looks like a reasonably well-sourced page on Wikipedia, a total of 3,032 aircraft were lost to hostile action during the Vietnam War (the actual total was considerably higher, as these numbers don't include Army rotary-wing aircraft), which means at least that many pilots were shot down (yes, some were shot down more than once, but they are way more than offset by the many aircraft that had two pilots). Galand himself would be shot down two months later. But the effort proved futile. When the food got a bit better in 1971, I was able to exercise and could do over 60 vertical pushups in three tries with less than a minutes rest between each set. Secondly, everybody else all the other strike flights, 15 of them, one after the other were calling, Outbound for weather meaning the target area was socked in and it would be just plain stupid to drop into the clouds where it would be hard to locate the target and easy to get nailed by a SAM (Surface-to-Air Missile). Some US fighter pilots had actually scored aerial kills in WWII, and were fighting again in the sky's over North Vietnam; Colonel Robin Olds had shot down German aircraft in aerial combat,. Moments later, the controller asked us to change our squawk, so we could be located for a skyspot drop. Were B-52 bombers used in Vietnam? He was crying. Hes taking us direct to Bravo and right over Yen Bai! Without hesitation Scotty rolled smoothly to the left into a near 90 degree bank and applied right (top) rudder and held it for a few seconds while I looked for the SAM that was certainly coming for us. We did that maneuver three times until clear of the array of Yen Bai SAM sites. I remember the day we lost a crew in Cambodia. October 26, 1967: A-4E Skyhawk BuNo. I then looked at myself to see if I was in one piece. I knew from some of the other Tigers that you had been a POW, but never heard the details of your harrowing tale. Every year on the 18th of December I start an eleven day ritual of emails to the Vietnam air warriors on the anniversary of the first night of Operation Linebacker II lest we forget the courage and sacrifices of all those who risked all from that first night until the 29th both tactical air and especially the B-52 crews. Mr. Creccas response (farther below) displays considerably more class than that displayed by b fearn in this particular instance. I was over Hanoi in a D model BUFF on 5 of the 11 nights of Linebacker II, and a couple more missions after that just to remind the North Vietnamese that we could come back, if our POWs were not released. I looked around me to see hundreds of people, mostly villagers, including old folks and children. I was asked the same questions over and over in an attempt to trip me up. Our airplane flew out of the fireball with orange flames and thick, black smoke trailing from the wings, fuselage and tail. Spooky came in after that and made a few passes. April 26, 1968 : C-130B 60-0298, c/n 3602, of the 773d Tactical Airlift Squadron, shot down dropping load at A Loui, South Vietnam. I completely agree with everything Jim D. (below) writes. GlobalSecurity, South Viet Nam Air Force VNAF Aircraft Deliveries. Fritz was Nape. Had the great fortune of knowing 2 Navy POWs who were at the Hanoi Hilton one of which my wife served with in the Navy. I hope some day that our government will find the courage to ask what happened to the missing pilots whose names or Escape and Evasion codes and authenticator numbers were photographed by U.S. satellites long after the war was overDavid Allinson(8888), Peter Matthes (GX2527), and Henry Serex (SEREX) to name a few. It was less than a minute before I would be on the ground. There are plenty of other places to rant and vent. Asia time after time. What? Fogleman became the only Super Sabre pilot ever rescued by riding out on a Cobra helicopter. Scotty gave the Phantom back to me and then it was my turn. We accomplished the weapons checklist just as we entered enemy territory: Centerline station, Bombs ripple, Intervalometer set, Master Arm. Compare these massive figures to the six million Jewish folks who perished in the WWII Holocaust. As the nose rises, pitch attitude must be controlled to achieve a nose-high attitude of 10 to 12 degrees. Its not from the How did you survive? But there was no SAM. At the very least, he had just been knocked out. I rest easy at night because of people like you. My hats off to those who served. I confirmed this by dialing in Bravos coordinates and the needle pointed straight ahead. But, I knew the SA-2 was a powerful weapon; 400 lbs. What was the name of the plane that was shot down in Vietnam? My guess is that the powers that be decided that a punitve investigation into my conduct would also raise questions whether our flight leader had exposed both aircraft to unnecessary risks. Much aviation has occurred in the context of military service. The time was 1151. May God comfort those families who still wait and wonder.]. I think of you often and was looking forward to seeing you again. Just recently back from the Academy F-4 Phantom ceremony. Thank you for your service! [23] 2 Mi-4, 5 An-2, 5 Il-14, 1 MiG-15UTI, 1 Il-28, 1 L-29, 1 Lisunov Li-2 lost through all causes[24] Total: 159 aircraft and 2 helicopter lost. I taught math, physics, automotive theory and practice, and classical music in the Hanoi Hilton. I flew Marine Corps F-4s out of Da Nang and Nam Pong, Thailand in 1972; unfortunately not much had changed in six years. It was the determination of President Richard M. Nixon to mount Operation Linebacker II, sending B-52s to attack the capital city of Hanoi and the port city of Haiphong, forcing the communists back to the peace conference in Paris that resulted in the end of the Vietnam War and the release of the prisoners-of-war. Im thinking, How does anybody know how their INS is doing when they cant see the ground? We were at 25,000 feet above a solid, 10,000-foot undercast. During the Vietnam War, thousands of U.S. aircraft were lost to antiaircraft artillery (AAA), surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and fighter interceptors (MiG)s. The great majority of U.S. combat losses in all areas of Southeast Asia were to AAA. !Cheers my friend. I admit now that, with the forebodings Id had earlier, I seriously thought about pulling the aerial refueling receptacle circuit breaker so it would not open, causing us to have to abort. records. Surprisingly, a young couple bandaged my head wounds. I am proud of you Joe and Scotty for your service and to be part of a community which recognises and should be proud of your example. 1LT ALDRICH ROBERT HENRY BNR 12/27/1971154013 HMM-165 WO1 ALEXANDER BARRY KENNETH KIA 09/22/196968-513/68-23 71 AHC CPT ALEXANDER DAVID LEE KIA 02/06/197170-20 67-18493178 ASHC Ho and Giap both wanted to meet with him. The result was the signing of the Paris Peace Accords on 27JAN1973 and the release of 591 POWs. Defense Department officials say 1st Lt. Carl D. Nesbitt died when his plane was shot down in May . Meadows The story of an immortal pilot who fought on biplanes against the Japanese in the 1930s in China, but also shot down American jets not only in the Korean but also in the Vietnam War. It was great to learn about your time before FTL/FDX. God Bless you, Joe, and all those who flew and fought in Vietnam. 2,197 of the losses were fixed-wing, and the remainder rotary-wing. One of our F-4s was not delivered by maintenance. Hes my hero. Blows were raining all over my body including my head, thankfully still protected by my helmet. Pavlovs Dog reaction to his Cmon Back, Chief, I got em spotted. (Im a Sioux Indian, Born on a Dakota Rez.) A photograph of Lockhart shows him being paraded through the streets of Hanoi. Thank you again Sir and God bless. Despite the excellent sound-sealing qualities of my helmet, their jabbering was extremely loud and intense. I was escorted a few hundred feet to one of the village hooches Id seen from above. Knowing you were handled so badly by your bosses has to be a tough thing to take. Among fixed-wing aircraft, more F-4 Phantoms were lost than any other type in service with any nation. I am most grateful for the hero status conferred upon me by the predominance of commenters. Lonely feeling for a pilot over enemy territory. The Air Force lost 1737, the Navy 530, the Marine Corps 463 and the Army lost 302 (fixed wing). Great job! J. W. Newhouse rescued, First loss: EF-105F 63-8286 (13th TFS, 388th TFW) shot down by AAA RP-6 July 1966, Maj. Roosevelt Hestle, Final loss: F-105G 63-8359 (Det.1 561st TFS, 388th TFW) shot down by SAM 16 November 1972, RP-3, crew rescued, First loss: mission-related TFR failure, 66-0022 (428th TFS 474th TFW, Project Combat Lancer), 28 March 1968, Maj. H.E. On Sept. 12, 1968, F-100D pilot Capt. Jeffrey Ethell and Alfred Price wrote a great book about this day called "One Day in a Long War, May 10, 1972, Air War, North Vietnam" that describes in detail events of that day. Rest in Peace, dear Scotty. As it turned out, the two men in the Tulsa F-4 ejected safely. Despite our brief conversation enroute to the tanker about pilots who had ejected from their burning airplanes prematurely (their aircraft flew on for long distances before going out of control) what happened next got my attention. I looked for an escape route. A few of the men wore shoddy uniforms and were armed with old-looking, bolt-action rifles. At least thats what I hoped. I had breakfast with 1stLt. Galand Kramer at the Danang Officers Open Mess, the DOOM Club, so appropriately named for those of us flying into the teeth of North Vietnams AAA, missile and MiG air defenses. My head, no longer protected by my helmet, was now receiving direct hits from clubs, rocks, rifle butts and God-knows-what. American airmen shot down 196 MiGs137 by the Air Force, 59 by the Navy and the Marine Corpsand sustained 83 losses. We can never let our politicians forget those lessons. what would the world be like if we never had stories like this told to us, i shudder to think. According to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association, a total of 11,846 helicopters were shot down or crashed during the war, resulting in nearly 5,000 American pilots and crew killed. Lost contact with you shortly after you were so kind to make comments at my FedEx retirement party. Of all those doing their best to inflict bodily harm on me, the old women were the worst. A C-47 was the very first USAF aircraft lost in the SEA conflict, C-47B 44-76330 (315th Air Division) on TDY at. Sharing your story forward. Dickens rescued) I have reflected a great deal on how unprepared politically and militarily the US was for the asymetrical brush fire we stumbled into. I served as Navy, lost friends both in country and after returning home with one still carried as MIA Army Helicopter Pilot. Thank you for sharing this. The pain was unbearable except that I had to bear it whether I wanted to or not. Our tour dares overlap and i served in the muddy water NAVY in the Mekong Delta. A SAM damn near got me and another my section leader. Good or bad we all contributed and finally got the job done.May all our brothers and sisters that made the ultimate sacrifice, rest in peace. Wonderful story. Yeh, the F-4s wings dont come off even from a SAM induced Spin. I was in the tower in Saigon and F-4s would come pouring in. Of course, things were beginning to wind down in Viet Nam by this time, but it was still mega impressive to see the F-4s light em up and blast off the runway like angry rocket-powered birds of prey searching for their next meal! Phew II! At this moment the twin J-79 afterburners are briefly licking at the runway with two, huge, yellow-orange flames. Thank you for your service Joe. This content was created by a Daily Kos Community member. Theyd blow up in midair, before they ever got to the runway. I hope that this article and your word of mouth/teachings help other people stand up against stupidity and question the orders of those place in authority. At 2,500 ft. So what was The D.O.s name? Fogleman became the only Super Sabre pilot ever rescued by riding out on a Cobra helicopter. And Mr. Crecca, again, I thank you. 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